Friday, April 26, 2019

New Brunswickers Lost at Sea

A few years ago I started gathering names of the people of New Brunswick, Canada who were lost or died at sea.  A few months ago I began added them in spreadsheet form to create a new database which is up to almost 300 people.

Some are larger wreck or gales that sank as many as 20 boats.  Others added are seaman from New Brunswick that shipped around the world and died from accident or illness. Fisherman in smaller boats is also included.

Taken from Old Newspapers, diaries, books, and archives it is growing daily.

Some families and communities lost so much to the sea. (see below) Capt. Gilbert Alwin Hoar, his wife was Izetta Mary Daniels, daughter of Capt. William Daniels and Nancy Edgett, her brother Capt. Albert Daniels.

"Hopewell Hill (Albert Co.) Oct. 4 - Advices received here last night state that the masters of the three-masted schooner "Valkyrie" of St. John, commanded by Capt. G.A. HOAR, formerly of this place, have given the vessel up for lost. It is considered the only hope of the crew's safetly is the possibility that they might have been taken off by a passing vessel. Capt. Hoar, the last few years, has been residing in St. John and his wife and family are now there. Mrs. Hoar is a d/o late Capt. Wm DANIELS of Hopewell, whose vessel, the "Alice Carey", foundered at sea on a voyage from the Memramcook quarry to Baltimore, about 25 years ago, all hands, including the captain, being lost. Mrs. Hoar's brother, Capt. Albert DANIELS, was also lost at sea with his crew a few years ago while in command of the brig "Emeline"."
The Daily Sun, Saint John, New Brunswick, 5 Oct 1893 (from PANB Newspapers)


It contains Names, Date of loss, Name of ship, place of birth/residence, age and family if noted.  The sources of the information are also available.

At some point, I hope to add all of the Maritimes but one Province at a time is more manageable.

If you have a family member or ancestor from New Brunswick that is known to have perished at sea please leave a comment or e-mail me directly with sources.

If you are looking for someone before the list is up also feel free to contact me with questions.

I will add an updated blog when I feel it is ready to go online and what format I have decided to use.  Right now I am thinking Google Doc's might be the best.

I welcome your thoughts, suggestions or information.

Michele


Monday, April 15, 2019

Grampy was an NPE

Blogging does not come easy to me.  So I don't do it as often as I would like. That said I will be trying to post my genealogical thoughts more this year.

NPE's or Non-Parent Expected - is a term in Genetic Genealogy that most know but not many had to deal with until the last few years.  With the advancement of Autosomal (atDNA) testing and the sheer numbers of people testing NPE is becoming very well known to most.

I started testing family almost 8 years ago now.  I read and researched to understand how atDNA worked and began charting all my family matches and where they fell into my tree.

Shortly after I started helping others, adoptees and people who were confused by their DNA test because they didn't match to the family they thought they should.  I will admit I started many on their journey by sending a note to request information to how we related on a specific line of my family.

Most would say they have no ancestry with that name or in that area and I learned quickly to leave it alone.  All of them would come back later finding they didn't belong to their father or that one of their parents didn't belong to theirs.

I had helped many using paper trails in past years to find birth families so adding DNA was a natural progression.  It is challenging and emotional but I am so thankful for the people who I have met along the way.  Some have become chosen family to me.

A few years ago I knew something was not right with one line of my family, so I tested my maternal aunt, my mother had passed several years before DNA have become affordable, neither of us was getting matches to my grandfather's paternal line.  As I have mentioned in previous blogs parts of my family are from Albert County, New Brunswick.  Endogamy causes huge issues with figuring out DNA matches in this area.

My grandfather's only sibling died at age 2, and his Birth Certificate Father (BCF) was an only child. None of us would have a close match show up for this family because you have to go back to 1849 to find his grandfathers siblings.

I can't use my own atDNA to help other Leaman descendants from that area to find their ancestors because I descend from Robert Leaman 4 different ways.

Believing the endogamy was part of the problem I kept trying to locate the connections.  I tested my other maternal aunt.  I am so thankful to her and her family for her agreeing to test while very ill.
Again no matches.
Helping a few friends/distant cousins with their results was the breakthrough I needed.  I could see their matches.  Because of the Endogamy, they had shared matches that belonged to the family I was searching for.  There they were, match after match and not one matched me or my aunts.

About the same time in late 2016, I had a new match show up on Ancestry, at 212 cM's I contacted her and even build a tree for her to see how we connected.  Believe me, I know all my 2nd cousins and she was not one of them. Looking things over I was afraid I would have to tell another person they didn't belong to their father.

I wanted to make sure I have everything correct so I made a spreadsheet of matches, a mirror/floating tree, and a handwritten chart.  It quickly came to light that it was my DNA that was matching to her family.

The only place I had any questions was my maternal grandfather, Weston, he was my person, my go-to guy.  He pass when I was 7 and I don't remember if we ever had any conversations about his family.

Narrowing down the possibilities of who was his biological father I was down to 3 men of the same family.  Luckily for me, I contact the grandson of one of the men.  The key was the picture of my grandfather I sent, who looked very like his grandfather.  He agreed to ask his father, at age 92, if he would take an atDNA test for me.  I was so thankful he said yes and as I can attest it is not easy to get a DNA test order in the US delivered to Canada.

The test showed he matched my maternal aunt at 596 cM's, so most likely he was a full cousin of my grandfather.

Down to two men, but one was not in the same area and was only 15 at the time. So it fell to one man, the grandfather of my original 212 cM match.

My great grandmother, Weston's mother, had been married for several years when he was born.  I don't judge her in any way, I believe she was in an arranged marriage to a man who most likely could not have children.

I belong to a Facebook group for NPE's there were not many in the beginning but it is about to hit 10,000 people, all who found they did not belong to who they thought they did through DNA.

I had worked with people for years, helping them through finding their families, the emotions, disappointments, and joys.  I was not ready for the feeling of losing a quarter of my ancestry.  At that time 25 years of research gone.  I knew that family inside and out, having re-written the book on them.  Now they were not mine.  The walls and shelves of my house loaded with pictures of people who were absolutely no relation to me anymore.  I would just stand there and look them over feeling so sad for this family, who now no longer had any descendants.

This week I had the opportunity to meet a cousin from my new family. The first person I have seen that I share this family with.  My grandfather did not have any siblings that lived or paternal cousins. So it wonderful to add, cousins and Aunts and Uncles to his tree.  We only had a short time but it was wonderful to share information and hear stories of my new great grandfather.  To him, his Uncle Pete.

NPE is not a club I would have asked to join but being place in it has been a journey of discovery and finding others who have joined who are trying to find their new place in the world has changed me forever.





Tuesday, May 2, 2017

FINALLY! I Found Edward

Last night I found Edward Flynn, not a big deal to most, I bet he never even knew he was missing. However, to me it is the completion of years of work to bring a part of my family back together. *see Little Orphan Annie post.

I will admit I may have done the proverbial genealogy happy dance on this one and possibly even with my head to the sky yelled out "I found Edward"

New records become available all the time and most of us know that you have to go back, for me its about ever 6 weeks, and recheck your brickwalls.  The record was the Naturalization papers for Richard Flynn, my 2nd great grandfather, I have seen others in the past with very little information on them but this one is from the State of Rhode Island and it listed his children, birth dates and where they were residing in 1927 when he filled out the paperwork to become a citizen after being in the U.S. since 1888.

Oldest son Edward immigrated with the family in 1888 from Queenstown in Co. Cork, Ireland.  This also solved another riddle for me.  My grandfather insisted his mother told him the Flynn's had come from Co. Cork.  Everything I have ever found shows Co. Tipperary or Waterford but now I believe as a small child she had been told where they sailed from to come to America.

Most of the information on the Naturalization paper is incorrect, birth dates are off and it lists my Great Grandmother and her brother Thomas as living in Connecticut in 1927, the sad fact is, they most likely had no idea where the youngest two children had ended up.  Maybe they were told they were sent to Connecticut in place of Maine.

Up until now I have found all the children of Richard and Bridget (Bulter) Flynn except Edward or sometimes found as Edmond.  I looked all over New England and nothing.  Now this records says in 1927 he is living in Oldham, Lancashire, England.

My heart pounding, I started searching and found him in minutes with a wife, Martha England and 6 children, Philip, Matthew, Mildred Joseph and Isabella .  He died in 1937 and is buried in the Greenacres Cemetery in Oldham.

I now have two DNA matches to the Flynn's, one to a descendant of Mary and one to a descendant of Thomas. Proof is in the DNA :)

It doesn't quite seem real that this quest is complete, I which I could have put them all together in a room for one last gathering but this will have to do.

So to Annie, Thomas, Mary, Richard, Edward and Catherine, their parents Richard and Bridget,

Irish Quotes

Walls for the wind, 
And a roof for the rain, 
And drinks beside the fire -- 
Laughter to cheer you 
And those you love near you, 
And all that your heart may desire!

Irish Quotes



Tuesday, March 7, 2017

Hoar Family of Albert and Westmorland Co, New Brusnwick

Now that I am home for a while, unless it starts snowing a lot again, I thought it was time to write a post about my early research of the Hoar family in New Brunswick.

Today I was looking around the internet, Ancestry, ext and I 
found with a smile that every tree had Leonard Hoar and Lois Stiles as the parents of John Hoar b. 1803 in New Brunswick, Canada.  So why am I smiling, because I seriously doubt anyone knows why Leonard is listed as his 
father.  Before 1992 everyone had David Hoar Jr and his wife Ruth Lynde as the parents of John Hoar.

My first trip the the Provincial Archives in Fredericton I found
a copy of 

Digest of ancestry and early history of the Hoar(e) family and descent of the New Brunswick family from Charles Hoare of Gloucester, England by Daniel W. Hoar 

published in 1976. It was a wonderful find and help me start gathering the lines of this family. For a few years I kept the information, adding people, dates and facts to the family. This was while still using paper pedigree charts and research was not done by computer but by mail, phone calls and accually going to an archive or library.

Mr. Hoar did a great job tracking the family. From what I am told he contacted each household with the surname gathering information as he went. The biggest issues it that not everyone had or gave the correct information. My own grandfather, Weston Hoar, said his father was Elmer, which was correct, he listed his grandfather as John, great that was right per sources I was finding. However, everything went wrong after that.

Robert Blinkin Hoar (my favorite name ever!) is listed as John Newton Hoar's father. He was not he was his Step-father. His real father, John Hoar, was listed as a uncle of Robert Blinkin Hoar, and the son of David Hoar Jr and Ruth Lynde. You have to understand this is a small area with lots of big families keeping them straight is a full time job! 

I started all over, as I have done many times in my research over the years. 

The biggest clue to the family was the 1803 Census of Hopewell, Westmorland Co (now Albert Co) New Brunswick.
David Hoar has 5 children over 10 and 2 under.

Lenoard Hoar & wife Lois (Stiles) have 1 child over 10 and 1 child under 10.

The only children under 10 for David Hoar Jr is Eunice & James Linton Hoar. 

The one child over 10 with Leonard is most likely a brother or sister living with him. 

The child under 10 with Leonard is would most likely John. 

Throught Census records, cemeteries, and land records I tracked the family and have a firm case for where they all fit. 

There were also only 3 known children for Leonard and Lois they now have 8 known, John, Eady, Pheobe, George S (Stiles), Esther, Mary, Leonard Samuel (Stiles) and Allen. I would supsect that there are still a few missing children to this family.  I will not even tell you how long it took me to do this. 

My corrected line:
David Hoar Jr and Ruth Lynde
Leonard Hoar and Lois Stiles
John Hoar and Martha Rogers
John Newton Hoar and Lucy Jane Woodworth
Elmer Stiles Hoar (born Elmer Woodworth Stiles) and Nellie M. Leaman
Weston A. Hoar and Sadie Irene Price

If you have taken a DNA test and your Stiles family comes back as matching the Hoar family you should contact me. Many of the children of Leonard Hoar and Lois Stiles moved to the states and changed their name to Stiles (wonder why lol!) 😀

If you have tested and are find this is the case please feel free to contact me.  

Hoping your brickwalls melt away like the snow in spring!
Michele





Wednesday, December 14, 2016

Corrections, Mergers and Travels

Well it is that time of the year again and I am off around the country to try to out run the snow and cold of the Northeast.

Spent some time in Texas and loved the Texoma region, the people reminded me of home.  Very friendly and I was so happy the Ice Tea is always available (I might have a slight unsweetened Ice tea addiction)

I am off again next week for a month or so to Florida and then maybe to the southwest again this year for a few weeks.

Now for the research.  Over the years I have been given many research notes, gedcoms and even a couple of genealogy collections from people who have passed on and the family didn't know what to do with the research.  Some I have put aside because they need to many corrections or lack sources for me to check the research.

I made it a goal this summer to do the corrections and merge two of the larger database I keep as well as the research of others I trust to my main research database.  Two of the gedcoms I have are from the same areas of New Brunswick I research and include many of the same families.  However, they contain dates or notes I do not have.

Two months ago I merge everything together in one big database, 420,000 people total, but, I would say about 40,000 people are duplicates.  I have been merging and correcting for those two months, rechecking every source and adding additional information when available.

I expect it will take me another 4 months to finish the updates and corrections.  During this time I will not be updating my One Big Circle site.  It is two much to add to both.  If you are looking for something feel free to drop me an e-mail.

Sometime after the new year I will be uploading the New and Improved One Big Circle database.

Remember to give credit to the person whose research you are using, if you are going to copy a database, don't list it as your own, it is not the way genealogy works.  Those of us who freely share our research do it to help others.  Remember to list your sources.

Happy Holidays to all,
Michele


Monday, March 28, 2016

Work, Play, Research...








The last few months of life have been filled with travels, all over the United States.  Leaving very little time for research.  I am now in the process of updating my Price family, working with linking and finding all the burials I can and as always correcting and resourcing as I go.

Sunday, May 3, 2015

How things come full circle...

If you research in a concentrated areas, like I do, sometimes things happen that other researchers will never experience.  Today, once again, my family came full circle.

While updating and researching my Leaman/Leeman family out of Albert and Westmorland County, New Brunswick I ran into a name I didn't have in my database.  Come to find out, as I very often find in New Brunswick, she was using her middle name.  She would be a very distant cousin to me.

Albina Gerturde Leaman, daughter of Aaron and Levinia (Viney) Whitnect Leaman, she was born in Salisbury, Westmorland Co, New Brunswick on 5 Sep 1868.  In 1910 she is living in Boston as Gertrude Briggs in the home of her daughter Mabel G Welsh b. 15 may 1889, Boston , her husband George H. Walsh and two children John and George Welsh. Mable who is found as Mabel Wallace married George, 2 Aug 1907 in Boston.  Also with them is a daughter Mary E. Briggs b. 1896, however her birth records show her as Mary Elizabeth Wallace,  b. 3 Aug 1896 in Boston.  They were the daughters of Gertrude Leaman and Edmund/Edward Wallace.

After spending some time finding all the records Edmund/Edward is listed as being born in Moncton, New Brunswick.  I then found his marriage to Gertrude on 1 Apr 1887 in Boston.  Her parents listed as above and Edmund's parents listed as Henry Wallace and Henrietta.



You know when you have that "OMG" moment.  Edmund/Edward Caleb Wallace, was the son of my 3rd great aunt Henrietta Price Wallace, daughter of William Price and Sarah Cushing.  Part of a totally different line of my family.

His marriage and time in Boston are not recorded in any of the family records I have ever found, nor his marriage to Gertrude Leaman.  They are never in a census record as a family as most of  the 1891 U.S. Census was destroyed and  Edmund returns to Moncton before 1900 and re-marries. He lists himself as a bachelor when he marries Jessie Whitnect on 9 Jan 1900 and goes on to have has two daughters with her.  Beulah Harriett Wallace b. 21 Sep 1905 and Ella May Wallace b. 28 Jul 1907 both born in Moncton.



Gertrude stayed in Massachusetts with her two surviving daughters.  There were two known boys born to the marriage, Edmund b. 1893 and James C b.1894 both died at age 4 months in Boston.  The 1910 Census for Boston lists her as twice married with 8 children born to her with 7 living.  Gertrude (Briggs) died in Boston on 5 Nov 1915.




I think this answers the question many Genealogist asked themselves, how far down a line should I trace, how in depth should I go?  Well today I am very glad that my obsessive researching lead me to Edmund Wallace and Gertrude Leaman.

Tuesday, April 21, 2015

Facebook for New Brunswick Genealogy

Looking for more ways to connect with family or the region your ancestors lived in?  There are also many family groups.  Type in your ancestors name and see what you find.



New Brunswick Genealogy pages on Facebook

Bathurst Genealogy (Northumberland) - https://www.facebook.com/groups/21078059944/
Waterford Parish (Kings Co) -https://www.facebook.com/groups/38039824652/
Related -
Adopted in New Brunswick (for children or birth parents) - 
Includes NB -
Atlantic Canada - https://www.facebook.com/groups/atlcangen/ https://www.facebook.com/groups/388242124667000/

Tuesday, April 14, 2015

Civil War State Pension for Mainers

Did you know some Civil War Soldiers were eligible for both Federal and State Pensions for their service.

Maine is one of those states, so if you are researching your ancestor be sure to look for both.

 See below from the Law that put the pensions into effect.  This book can be found on Google Books for free.

The Revised Statutes of the State of Maine, Passed September 29, 1916, and Taking Effect 

 January 1, 1917

Page 1636
"The State Pension Law.
Sec. I. Pensions to soldiers and sailors. R. S. c. 145, § I. 1913, c. 17. Any person who has served by enlistment in the army or navy of the United States in the war of eighteen hundred and sixty-one, on the quota of Maine, and any person not on the quota of Maine, who has served in the army or navy of the United States in said war, and who was a resident of this state at date of enlistment, and at time of making application for pension shall have been a resident of the state at least five years; also any person who has served by enlistment in the army or navy of the United States in the war with Spain, on the quota of Maine, and any person whether on or not on the quota of Maine, who has served in the army or navy of the United States in the war with Spain or the Philippine Insurrection at any time prior to the fourth day of July, nineteen hundred and two, and who was a resident of this state at date of enlistment, and at time of making application for pension shall have been a resident of the state at least five years, and who has been disabled by disease, wounds or other injuries contracted or received in said service, and who is unable from his own resources and the United States pension to obtain a livelihood for himself and those dependent upon him, shall be entitled to a pension from the state, not exceeding eight dollars a month, provided, he has been honorably discharged from said service. No such pension shall be paid by this state to persons residing in other states.
92 Me. 443"

Thursday, January 8, 2015

Year of the Gunnings of Albert Co, New Brunswick

Each year I pick a family name that will be my main research topic for the year.  Last year (2014) was the year of the Virgie, they are a small group and it gave me lots of time to work into my on going family research.  2013, was the Watson family of Carleton Co, New Brunswick, one of my husbands lines.  Someday I will find who Peter Watson, Loyalist, belongs to!! 2012 was the descendants of Edmund Price and Jane Webb, unlike the rest, this family is huge.  Even after a year, with help from other researchers on the Hovey group, I still have 4 of the 14 children to finish research on.  In 2011 I chose the Jonah family of New Brunswick.

This year it will be The Gunning family of Albert Co, New Brunswick.  The Gunnings are also a fairly small group compared to a lot of the families I research.  My goal is to trace every line and get them as close to present as I can.  Not always easy but so worth it.

James Gunning, Sr and his wife Mary Johnston (surname is still being proven) came from Europe in the early 1800's to Albert County.  They arrived with four children, John (most likely), James Jr, Mary Ann and Elizabeth.  There were probably more children.   There is question to where they were from, England, Ireland or Scotland.  With the research I have done, most likely they are Irish by way of England.

I descend from James Gunning, Jr and his wife Margaret Jonah.  Their son William Lovell Gunning and his wife Mary Jane Virgie died young leaving my GG grandmother Annie Laura Gunning and her brother John "Seymour" Gunning orphaned by 1875 at age 8 and 4 receptively.  Seymour was raised by his uncle James Hazen Gunning.  The family lived in Coverdale and what was known as Gunningsville.  As for Annie, we have no idea who she went to after her parents death.  She is not in the 1880 census with any of her family.  We know she was a housekeeper and worked for several families in Albert County.  In the end she ended up marrying Rufus Leaman, the son of a family she worked for.  This seems to be a running theme in my ancestry as my paternal great grandmother, Annie Flynn, did the same thing.

Through DNA testing I have two matches to people who descend from the Gunnings, if you have a connection, have more information or have had a atDNA testing and want to compare information feel free to contact me.

Off to track down more Gunnings, Enjoy your day,
Michele

Monday, March 3, 2014

Langford, Andrews and Barrows, OH my!...

It seems that I have been spending most my time recently research for others.  I love to help people in their quest and really enjoy the challenge of working in a new region or heritage.  I have helped several people with Russian/Jewish genealogy lately and although I have no connection in that ancestry I find it fascinating!

The one thing I have found with researching for others is that you learn of new tools or different ways of looking for something that you can apply to your own research.  The more I do "Pay It Forward" genealogy the more I find my research being taken to a whole new level.

That said I was helping a fellow researcher with his Vermont family and when I was done decided to take a look at a part of my ancestry that had been completed many years ago.  It was pretty cut and dry.  Research from a family member in early 1900's and DAR records from the 1920's.  Something struck me as odd when I pulled up the Vital records for the town of Guilford in Windham County, Vermont.  

The marriage of Solomon Barrows (Barros) to Chloe Andrews. They were married on 27 Aug 1793, Guilford, Windham Co, Vermont. 



Finding Solomon and Chloe's graves I found Chloe's original birth date was off by 16 years.  She was not born in the 1775 but in about 1759. Chloe Barrows Grave in Sadawga Cemetery, Whitingham, Windham Co, Vermont.

Looking at their possible ages made me start to think, they were old enough to have been married before. I knew Solomon had been married first to a woman named Lydia and two children before his marriage to Chloe.

What if Chloe's maiden name was not Andrews but that of her first husband. Checking for the surname Andrews married to a Chloe in the same area and time period.  There was only one, Silas Andrews married Chloe Langford.  

Have you ever had a moment when, even though you researched this family years ago, a name sticks with you and you know exactly what you are looking at when you see it.

Solomon Barrows and his wife Chloe had a daughter Lydia Barrows who married Salem Shumway, their first child was Chloe Langford Shumway.  Yep, that was a name that had stayed with me all these years.  I tried find out who she was named after with no luck.  Now I am left wondering if it was for her Grandmother.  

Chloe Langford married Silas Andrews and had one son Silas Jr.  I have contacted all of the major researches who have their trees online and so far no response.  Each has a different set of parents for Silas Jr, same birth and information but no one seem to have used his birth record for his parents. Silas Sr possibly died early as there are no later records of him found and Silas Jr removes to the Midwest before 1820. 

I am hoping that any Andrews, Barrows or Langford (this is my OH MY) researchers in Vermont or Connecticut can help shed light on this issue.

Looking for thoughts, opinions, or help on this research.

Michele








Monday, December 23, 2013

Holiday cheer...

Happy Holiday to everyone.  Adding my list of great things I bought myself this year for being such a good girl! lol

Lost of information and great reading.  Now I just need to get the other 57 books on my wish list!

Marriage register, Albert County, New Brunswick, 1846-1887 by Ken Kanner and V.Bing Geldart

Cemeteries of Albert County, New Brunswick by David F. Christopher

Hélène's World: Hélène Desportes of Seventeenth-Century Quebec by Susan McNelley  (about 11th great grandmother)



Welsh Genealogy by Bruce Durie



New Brunswick's Early Roads: The Routes that Shaped the Province (Images of Our Past) by Ronald Rees

The Travel Journals of Tappan Adney, 1887-1890 by Tappan Adney  (great story!!)






Upgraded my genealogy software to Legacy 8.  Still working on the new additions to the program.  Over all like the updates

The only thing I have purchased that did not quite live up to all the reviews was the Flip Pal Scanner.  It is a great idea and very useful in some cases but I took it along with me for an archive visit and found it very hard to use in books that do not open and lay flat.  It was easier to use their copier than to scan on most of the larger books.  I did find it helpful for scanning small pictures, it was much easier than my table top scanner.  http://flip-pal.com/

Hope you have added great things to your research arsenals this year !!
Michele




Wednesday, November 6, 2013

When it all falls apart...

I have not written any blogs lately because there was not much new to write about.  I wanted to use this Blog for updates and adding more information that you would see on my Rootsweb site.

I have spent the whole summer re-sourcing my direct lines.  Just like starting over from scratch and going back through each person.  I have found so many new records and even old records that I some how miss along the way.

Last week I was spending time on my GGG grandparents Mariner A. Price and his wife Mary S. Friars of New Brunswick.  As usual I typed Mariners name into the standard search places, Familysearch, Ancestry, Google and Find A Grave. There are three Mariner Prices in my tree and I have added two of them to Find A Grave myself.  It struck me as odd that a third Mariner Price popped up on Find A Grave.

Mariner W. Price
Mariner W. Price born Feb. 1837 Butternut Ridge, Kings Co, New Brunswick d. 15 Sep 1870 Helena, Arkansas.  Buried in Forest Hill Cemetery, Glen Ellyn, Dupage Co, Illinois.

You know when you research a family long enough that you know everyone and where they lived.  I am like that with the descendants of Edmund Price and Jane Webb of Kings Co, New Brunswick.  They are one of my primary research groups.  There has only ever been one Mariner Price, mine!

About 19 Years ago I contacted by letter and phone one of the authors of the Descendants of Edmund and Jane Webb Price book.  He help me research out my line and he was very confident that Mariner b. 1837 and my Mariner b. 1847 were the same. This was also the information I received from many other researchers at the time.  It was thought that the census or other records maybe incorrect on my Mariners birth date.  I also have a letter from the 1920's where distant family members discuss our relation to Edmund Price and that they had been in contact with family in Kings Co to make the connection.

Sitting there for a few minutes trying to make sense of this find, it hit me, Dr. William Henry Price once lived in Dupage Co, Illinois. .  I pulled up his notes and sure enough.  The man who I had always thought was a GGG  Uncle lived in Dupage Co in 1870 per the census record.

Now I was starting to feel a little ill and if I was the type of person to who got emotional I would have cried.  Twenty-one years of research on the wrong family!

I send a note off on Facebook to a friend in British Columbia, it was midnight my time but would only be 9 pm there.  He kindly send me pages from the Price family book, so I could check my information.

At 10 am the next morning I called to find that the caretaker of the Cemetery in Glen Ellyn passed away last month at age 90 (Murphy's Law of Genealogy).  So I called the local funeral home and a very kind man offered to contact the family to see if any of the records from 1870 still exist.  All I needed was who owned the plot or if anyone else was buried with Mariner W.  They said it might be a while so I am still waiting.

Racking my brain for available records in New Brunswick from that time period I realized that there still was a chance I belonged to the Edmund Price Group.  It is a very large family and my Mariner A. could still be a descendant.

Going through ever record source I could think of online and then remembered that the County Deed books for New Brunswick are on Familysearch.  They are not indexed but fairly easy to use.
with in minutes I located a land sale from Mariner A. Price to Nathan Stiles, for the land of the diseased Elijah Price.

Now I was back to feeling ill, my husband said he could hear me talking to myself and lots of colorful words would trail down the stairs on occasion!

What I failed to mention earlier is that I always believe I have two Price ancestries.  Edmund Price and that of William Price (see previous blog).  Because of this I know exactly who Elijah Price was, he was the brother of my ancestor William Price, Jr.  With a little more searching I found all of Nathan Stiles land transactions in Kings Co, New Brunswick.  Oh, did I mention that Nathan Stiles was the 2nd husband of Sarah Ann Abrams/Abraham?  Sarah Ann was the first wife of Elijah Price...

The document shows Nathan Stiles Land Deed in Kings Co, NB
The reason this makes Mariner A Price is part of the Descendants of William Price and Sarah (Sally) Mason is the other names listed in the sales.
1.  John Friars, husband of Elizabeth Jane Price, Known daughter
2. Mariner Price
3. Joseph Price, Known son listed as Heir on documents and from death record
4. John E. Coates, husband of Sarah Ann Price, Known daughter
5. Hannah Price, Known daughter per death record.

I have done extensive research on the family of Elijah Price and Sarah Ann Abrams Price.  I sometimes get very attached to families and research them either because no one else has or they were somehow separated in life and I try to bring them back together again.   Elijah died very young and it seems the young widow Sarah remarried Nathan Stiles by 1859, all of her children were with other families or working as servants in 1861.  I have not been able to located my Mariner in 1861 so far.  Only one child was raised by a family member, Hannah Price was raised by her Aunt Hannah Price Bell and is with her in 1861 Kent Co, New Brunswick.  I knew ther might be missing more children but never would have guest it was my ancestor that was missing.

In 1870 Mariner A, his wife Mary Friars and children are in Tuscola Co, Michigan, next door to John Friars and his wife Elizabeth Price who has brother Joseph Price living with them.  I always thought the family was together because John Friars and Mary Friars were siblings.  Now I know it was also because Mariner, Elizabeth and Joseph were siblings as well.  It is so mixed up. lol!

In the end I have put this forward for review.  Feel free to re-research my findings and make your on conclusion.  I have given the new information to the Descendants of Edmund and Jane and passed it to researchers of William Price and Sarah Mason.  I will be e-mail people with Mariner on Rootsweb and a select few on Ancestry.  It will take years to update the information and with the way Ancestry.com works it may never be totally fixed but I can try.

Please feel free to contact me about this on going project.  I will continue to research the ancestry of Edmund Price and Jane Webb, with over 20,000 descendants in my database I will adopt the family as mine and keep up the search.

Wish me luck,
Michele










Tuesday, June 25, 2013

Where is the 1921 Canadian Census...Part Deux

Still nothing but a quick note from the LAC (Library and Archives Canada) on June 4th saying the Census will be released in a few weeks.  http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/news/Pages/2013/1921-census.aspx

Below is an excerpt from Elizabeth LaPointe's blog posted 17 June 2013

"A reliable source from the LAC has just phoned me to ask that I inform my readers, genealogists, and others interested in their Canadian families, that the 1921 Canadian Census has already been digitized, and has been ready for release since last Wednesday, 12 June, but it is being held back by the federal government before it is released."
http://genealogycanada.blogspot.com/2013/06/breaking-news-1921-census-of-canada.html


Myself and others have been sending e-mails, Facebook posts and still nothing.  There are a few things you can do.  As genealogists and Family Historians, even if you are not Canadian, please contact James Moore and sign the petition below started by Bill Robinson.

Feel free to pass the petition along to other groups and lets get this census available to the public.

Minister of Canadian Heritage and Official Languages

The Hon. James Moore

His E-mail

Petition: (You do not need to be Canadian to sign)

Thank you!
Michele


Tuesday, June 11, 2013

Facebook Genealogy Pages....

Most of the areas I research have pages on Facebook.  I admin several pages for family and genealogy research in Maine and Canada.  Someone asked on a page what groups we belonged to and as I was adding my long listed of FB groups I found there were two I really wanted to see, so, I created them.

Westmorland County, New Brunswick Genealogy
https://www.facebook.com/groups/296900027113593/

Albert County, New Brunswick Genealogy
https://www.facebook.com/groups/190621587763579/

I have such deep roots in both counties and I hope with these pages they will connect people researching their families.

Please feel free to join and add your family research or who you are looking for.

Take Care,

Michele

Monday, June 3, 2013

Where is the 1921 Canadian Census???

On June 1st 2013 the Library and Archives of Canada (LAC) was to release the 1921 Canadian Census.  Like many of you I have been waiting 10 years to see this information.  Unlike the 1940 United States Census there was no big count down, no television coverage and no information.  I found a note that shows that Statistics Canada release the information in January 2013 to the LAC.  The LAC has been contacted by  E-mail and Facebook and have not responded to any of the questions.  I would just like an update!

Where is the Census?  Why wont they update anyone?  What is with the silence???

I am not a Canadian citizen, my brother and I are the only U.S. citizen in my Maternal line.    So I do not have access to local information or government sources.

The last information found is from a blog dated Mar 27, 2012 http://thediscoverblog.com/2012/03/27/1921-census-countdown/ .  This states they will get the census to the public  " as soon as possible after that date"   Does this mean days, months, years until they have to update us?

Now almost 4 days past the release date I did the only thing I could think of and sent a e-mail to the Prime Minister of Canada .  Now, I do not hold great hope that I will get any useful information but maybe if enough of us do it there will be a response to what is going on.

LAC - http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/contact-us/Pages/contact-us.aspx

Prime Minister of Canada - http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/contact.asp?featureId=10

Let hope that the LAC and the Canadian Government realize how badly this makes them look in the eyes of the very large genealogy community.  

Okay vent over...On a Happy note...  I have finished the updated on the Descendants of Elisha Steeves and Delilah Smith!  Still working on Price/Hovey updating (and will be forever!) Now working on some Autosomal DNA connections which I am finding very interesting.  


Take care
Michele




Monday, April 1, 2013

Help me find this Soldiers family...




















 I am looking for help finding who this young soldier (Left) is and to what family he belongs.  The two picture were given to me years ago with the information that both pictures were George H. Leaman of Turtle Creek, Albert Co, New Brunswick.  I have had many people look at them over the years and I believe George (Right) and the picture Left are not the same person.

This young man (Left) is most likely part of the Price family of Westmorland Co, New Brunswick or the Leaman/Leeman family of Albert Co, New Brunswick.  He is in a Canada uniform from the World War One era.  

The picture on the right is Driver George Herbert Leaman b. 14 Jul 1892 in Turtle Creek, Albert Co, New Brunswick and was killed in action 8 Nov 1916 near Courcelette, Somme, Picardie, France.  George was my Great Great Uncle.  I will be doing a full piece on him in the near future.

I do not believe that one is a younger version as George has dark hair and eyes and the young soldier on the left has light hair and light eyes. However the ears and lips are almost the same.

I would love for everyone to compare the two photo and let me know what you think.  

Looking froward to hearing your opinion, 
Michele

for 

Military Monday


Thursday, March 21, 2013

One Big Circle Updates...Ireland, Scotland and Pennsylvania

The last few weeks have been amazing!!  

First I want to thank everyone from Geneabloggers for their kind support and the comments they sent.  If you have not checked out the great blogs at this site please do!! 

I am always willing to learn so I started looking for free Webinars online.  Legacy Genealogy program offers webinars at  http://www.familytreewebinars.com/ .  Some are paid but they normally will have them free for a week.  Ancestry.com users you can go to http://www.ancestry.com/cs/us/videos to see all their webinars for free. You can also search Youtube  and Cindy's list http://www.cyndislist.com/education/online-courses-and-webinars/ and find many great ones there as well.  After some searching I found what I was looking for Ireland and Scotland research.  

A few weeks ago I blogged about my Great Grandmother Annie Flynn.  I took the time to write down what I knew and what I didn't.  The didn't knows way out numbered the knows, so, I spent a few hours watching genealogist who research in the areas I want to become more knowledgeable.  

One of the great tips was that the birth dates on United States or Canadian records can vary greatly from Ireland because of a law in place to make people register the birth with in a short period of time.  Poor farmers could not go to town to report a birth so they would have the child baptized, which would give one date, then they would change the date of birth so the government would not be fined for not reporting the child's birth earlier.  I am pretty flexible when it comes to dates.  If some one is born in 1865 I will always search other dates just in case but I was unsure how off it would be in Ireland. I now know it can be off by up to 6 or 7 years between what we know in U.S census records and the original documents in Ireland.   

I visited http://www.rootsireland.ie/ before but really did not have enough information to use a paid site to research my Flynn's.  I didn't have high hopes of finding anything but to my surprise I found the marriage records for Richard Flynn and Bridget Butler, Annie's parents.  It had their fathers names and birth locations and with that I found both of their birth records (Richard was born in 1859 not 1865 and Bridget 1865 ipo 1867).  Richard's father Richard Flynn was born in a Workhouse in Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland.  Not the nicest places to be born!.  Then to top it all off I even found one of the parents marriage records.  After a small (Okay, really big) happy dance across my living room!!  I have updated the records on my site with the new information.

Since it was just before St. Patrick's day and I had such good luck I decided to tackle a few more Irish names.

I started researching Elliott family of Schuylkill Co, Pennsylvania a little over 10 years ago.  I knew they lived in and around Pottsville and that a story had been passed down that 3 brothers (Isn't it always 3 brothers, never 4 or 2 lol!) had been kicked out of Ireland and had fled to Scotland.  At some point the family immigrated to Pennsylvania.  

Armed with the new information from a Webinars on Irish immigrants in Scotland I began looking for Irish Elliott's living in Scotland in 1851.  I knew by now that the immigrant ancestors Patrick Elliott and his wife Sarah Mulholland were married in Barony, Lancastershire, Scotland in 1845 and had one daughter in Scotland Mary in 1847.  It took a few searches but there was Patrick Elliot, the only one in the area and his parents Arthur and Sarah.  Next I search for Sarah Mulholland, I knew her parents immigrated to Pennsylvania, they are in the 1861 census living next door to her.  Andrew and his wife Mary were found in the same town in 1841 and 1851 as the Elliott's.  It seems Patrick and his wife immigrated 10 years before her parents.  

So updates this week to Flynn, Dunne, Bulter, Tobin, Elliott, Mulholland, Fallon, Burns, Correll and connecting lines.  Also large update on Anthony family of Hants Co, Nova Scotia.

Good free Irish things:

Amazing site on Workhouses, not searchable but very educational for all of the UK
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/

1st of a 4 part Free article from Irish Roots Magazine.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/73714137/Tracing%20Your%20Irish%20Ancestors%20Online%20Irish%20Roots%201.pdf

Cemetery Transcription of Ireland
http://members.iinet.net.au/~sgrieves/cemeteries__ireland.htm

National Archives of Ireland
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/

All I can do is recommend, no matter how much you think you know, there is always room to learn...

Wondering why there is almost a foot of snow in Maine when it is suppose to be spring, Oh yeah, because its Maine!
Michele